Zoinks! The Pot Vending Machine Has Been Stolen by the Feds!
Remember the recent report about a medicinal marijuana vending machine opening in Los Angeles? If not, read MSNBC’s article here. Well, I live around the block from the cannabis dispensary that was home to that beautiful machine. The HNC is clean, quiet, and everyone who works there is really nice. This evening, as I was taking my Friday night constitutional down to the 7-11 for beer, a horrible sight sprang into view:
Guess who came calling? The DEA. The dispensary’s manager, who was walking around outside when I strolled by, told me that a group of federal thugs agents smashed not only the ten-foot window you see above, but also over twenty glass display cases inside. They then proceeded to steal all the medicine. This isn’t the first raid, either. The HNC was smashed to pieces last year by the DEA, on suspicion of carrying too much medicine, but were quickly cleared of any wrongdoing. The Feds just wanted to rattle them up a bit. However, the first DEA raid led the HNC owner to install that headline-grabbing vending machine in lieu of another break-in. He figured they would just take the machine and leave the interior of the dispensary intact. Nope!
Remember, this is a state certified business. It is legally entitled to operate in every way under California law and was doing absolutely nothing wrong. Don’t think we’re living under the thumb of soft fascism? Even if you don’t use cannabis, or for some reason have a problem with others using it, you should be disturbed by your federal government’s continued abuse of state’s rights.
UPDATE:
Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. I feel the need to explain the situation a little bit further, so as to clear up any misconceptions. This was a Federal DEA raid. They were not robbers, or robbers dressed up like DEA (that comment made chocolate milk shoot out my nose!). From time to time, the DEA does conduct raids like this in California. They are not polite because they don’t have to be- they’re sending a message, or fulfilling a quota, or whatever the precursor to the raid was. It’s true, marijuana is still a Federally recognized contraband. However, I feel the heavy-handed approach (breaking of glass, destruction of property) is not warranted. If the HNC was truly under suspicion, a simple search of the premises would have sufficed. Don’t miss the big picture because this was a cannabis dispensary. The particular article was not about the pros and cons of cannabis use (although I’ll be glad to extoll the virtues of hemp anytime you want!).
Cheers!
Geoff
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April 25th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
“soft fascism?”? How about real, hard, in-your-face fascism.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
I agree Joe. “Soft fascism” is a term used to describe our current state of affairs- unlike WWII era Italy, we don’t identify ourselves as fascist. In reality, our gov’t is employing very fascist-like tactics across the board… but they’re sneaky about it. “Soft” is probably a bad choice of words because it belies the seriousness of the problem, but I was just using common vernacular.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:19 pm
Completely unacceptable. Cannabis is medicinal. The people of California (and many other states) want the option to ease their pain with an effective and safe herb instead of a dangerous pharmaceutical lab experiment.
It’s becoming more & more apparent that what the people want (and the constitution) doesn’t mean a thing.
April 25th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
To G.M. Gardner: I understand, and I hope you realize I’m not being critical for criticism’s sake; it’s just important that more Americans wake the hell up and see things clearly. Maybe that’s starting to happen, and I’ve said for years that I would hope for the feds to crack down even more-all at once-to unwittingly jostle people out of their slumber.
Small isolated acts of hard fascism doesn’t seem to be doing the trick. No more slow-boiling the frog, if we’re lucky.
Anyway, thanks for writing.
April 25th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
As soon as we realize that the corporate nature of our society is driving the actions of the DEA then we’ll understand. Medicinal marijuana probably works better than the expensive prescriptions sold to us by PFFFtizer and the rest. The corporations cannot allow that and hence use the government to control it.
Granted some aspects of corporations (and inherent competition) are benefits to society, such as the cure for cancer, or other advances in technology, but there are also some bad. Well probably mostly bad with some good is more like it.
So understand why they do this. It isn’t facism just to hold your ass down, but protection of their profits from something that’s totally un-patentable.
And I don’t even do drugs.
April 26th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Any evidence that it was the DEA? Or is that just your theory?
April 26th, 2008 at 12:28 am
It’s time we stopped playing by the rules.
Open fire on any and all DEA agents caught breaking the law.
Make it less of a ‘gimme’ when they want to start harassing people. Let them know there will be consequences.
It’s time for revolution in the absolute bloodiest sense. When the government starts acting like the concerns of the citizens mean absolutely nothing to them, there is little else to do except start taking them down, one at a time.
April 26th, 2008 at 1:25 am
To Ray: For purpose of full disclosure, I am on a first name basis with the manager of the dispensary that was raided (HNC). That’s why he spoke with me. It was pure coincidence that a) I was walking by the dispensary this evening and b) I had my digital camera on me (my piece of shit Razr phone takes pics but they suck).
As I was uploading the pics, it dawned on me that I hadn’t asked the manager whether it was the Feds or just some common criminal. So I called him up and he confirmed that it was a Federal DEA raid. Naturally, I haven’t called the DEA to confirm this… but it was definitely a federal agency.
April 26th, 2008 at 1:40 am
To JT, who said
“Open fire on any and all DEA agents caught breaking the law.”
You are the problem, Your attitude is harmful, unnecessary, counter-productive, gives more moral weight to their arguments, and does more harm than any number of societal responses.
edit. proofread. think. write again. then proceed.
April 26th, 2008 at 1:42 am
I hate pigs.
April 26th, 2008 at 1:48 am
It’s totalitarianism, not facism.
April 26th, 2008 at 1:59 am
hey human man – jt isn’t the problem.. I don’t agree with what he says but he’s just royally pissed off and taking it too far.
the more this happens the more people will demand state’s rights be defended..
whatever level of fascism we’re in – there’s definitely a revolution going on.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:00 am
To Mark:
The two terms are very close, and often overlap (in cruel, evil ways). Fascist Italy was also a totalitarian state, as was Nazi Germany. I doubt either one of us could wholly define where in that spectrum the United States lies… but fascism is a shorter word. So there.
Thanks for your comment.
Geoff
April 26th, 2008 at 2:13 am
To Joe Blow- we’re on the same wavelength. There’s always a fine hyperbole line that is best left for the reader’s to cross. Haha.
To All- Even before I tried cannabis recreationally (first time? Amsterdam!), I helped organize decriminalization protests. I believe in hemp as a sustainable plant. I look at it as a benefit, and am hard pressed to find any negatives that outstrip those.
The resistance, I feel, is based partly in three generations of misinformation. Ah, it’s getting late. Email me at gm.gardner@gmail.com for further discourse.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:17 am
Are they sure it was not thugs dressed like DEA?
Also, I have to say that I treated my Borderline Personality Disorder with moderate amounts of marijuana for 3 months. This cooled me and calmed me long enough to stop using and learn to change my thought patterns and learn to “be in the norms” of society. So, I have to say that medical marijuana is valid. Why not, we have hundreds of proven herbals treatments and cures for diseases. Marijuana is an herb.
I also have never heard of marijuana turning anyone into a freak. Sure, over doing it can turn you into a complete loser, but this is because you are hiding from your own emotional and psychological issues, it is not Mary Jane’s fault.
April 26th, 2008 at 4:41 am
Well, they were violating FEDERAL drug laws, even if they weren’t violating California drug laws. They weren’t operating legally in the United States, only in California.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:10 am
Wow, I can’t believe this! Such assholes!
April 26th, 2008 at 5:35 am
What scumbags.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:52 am
In a similar vein – thought this might amuse you…
http://www.forwardedfunnies.com/marijuana_filled_firewood_012263.html
April 26th, 2008 at 6:35 am
I don’t like the government being involved in what responsible, consenting adults choose to do: suicide, sex life, or recreational drug use.
But might I point out a little thing called the Supremacy Clause which is the cornerstone of a Federal government: The rule of Federal Agencies ( DEA ) overrides the laws of any given state.
If you talk to some Southerners they will tell you that this is what the “War between the States” was fought about, not the question of the “peculiar institution”.
April 26th, 2008 at 7:03 am
To A human man,
Sometimes, it is necessary to fight fire with fire. People have a right to protect their property. if someone is trying to damage, destroy, or remove your property; you should resist with as much force as it takes to stop them. This is not to say that we should open fire on any and all government officials, rather, to protect our rights.
Protecting your legal rights does not as you said “give more moral weight to their arguments” Nor is it “counterproductive” What is counterproductive is people laying down and crying about it when their rights are violated. Stand up and protect what is yours.
If everyone in history thought like you, our country would be two countries and the southern half of our country would still have slaves….
April 26th, 2008 at 7:05 am
this doesn’t sound like a dea raid. this sounds like a robbery. i’ve protested against dea raids, but i’ve never seen them just take the medicine and leave all the people. and they never do it at night; they get them in the morning.
this just doesn’t smell right; if it was a federal agency, they’d all be facing charges already. i think whoever guessed they were robbers dressed as dea was right. it would not be the first time that a co-op got robbed by fake cops.
April 26th, 2008 at 7:51 am
Hello
I find the use of intimidation tactics by the government to be the most worrying part of this. When you can go and destroy property in the name of “checking” something out, it is a very short jump to shooting people because they looked at you funny. An exagggeration I will admit but using the governments thinking pattern, not really that far off.
I would like some real evidence that marijuana is as bad as they say it is. A true double blind randomized selection study. I am in the medical profession and can personally attest to the therapeutic powers of Cannibis Sativa . I have seen patients who were different people on the “legal” drugs. Pain and nausea medications currently available are very good but they have some unintended (and Undocmented) side effects. All the reporting about marijuana having these bad side effects. Lets shine that light on all drugs equally and see what the real story is.
(Sigh) I know it is going to take a lot to overcome the biasis and fear. I just hope we do so in time to ease the suffering and pain of people who NEED marijuana to live with dignity and pride.
April 26th, 2008 at 7:54 am
To Jeff Paris – associate of mine was telling of his experience with marijuana to me. Said it was fun and felt good, but then at one point he was stoned and suddenly felt like his friends were whispering about how to destroy him behind his back. The weird paranoia feelings were a total buzz kill, so he stopped using marijuana. Go figure. I think that’s as bad as it ever gets. The paranoid schizophrenic prone should avoid it, certainly. Oh also fast food restaurants desperately want you to get the munchies.
April 26th, 2008 at 8:30 am
While this is super lame (don’t they have anything better to do?) and while I would definitely agree America fits the criteria of a facist country … Federal law trumps States rights – that’s constitution 101. Hopefully the bill to decriminalize pot passes.
April 26th, 2008 at 8:47 am
i don’t understand why THC isn’t available in a tablet if medical marijuana is truly helpful to people. i mean, we get morphine and codeine in pills rather than smoking opium – and although opiates are highly abused, they are still widely used as painkillers and depressants, especially in the elderly with chronic illness. just a thought.
April 26th, 2008 at 9:06 am
its probably just a bad understanding of American law on my part (i live in the UK) but if they didn’t have a warrant or permission to be on his property wasn’t it his right to defend his property to the full extent necessary? (gtfo of my shop or i start shooting style)
April 26th, 2008 at 9:18 am
dumbass country. Probably going to invade iran for israel soon too.
April 26th, 2008 at 9:27 am
In case you didn’t get the memo we’re not under the Articles of Confederacy anymore. Constitution reads federal law supercedes state laws.
If you’re not working towards federal drug reform, you’re just masturbating.
April 26th, 2008 at 9:45 am
“It is legally entitled to operate in every way under California law and was doing absolutely nothing wrong. ” Your right that it is legal under California law but the DEA is not a California agency it is a federal agency and growing, distributing and selling marijuana is a federal crime. Until a case like this one is brought before the supreme court confusions like this will continue to occur. The states are fighting an uphill battle here because the supreme court has regularly decided in favor of federal drug regulation.
April 26th, 2008 at 10:18 am
i need a joint
April 26th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Regardless of what state laws exist to make selling marijuana, even medicinally, legal, federal laws will trump them every time. In Denver, Co, a law was passed making possession of up to once ounce legal, and yet Denver city police and prosecutors continue to issue violations. It’s just a dumb idea to be in a business like that because the feds will always come. Until such a time as federal regulations remain as they are, this will happen.
April 26th, 2008 at 11:35 am
The problem is not the cops, the problem is who the cops work for and what they are permitted to do.
Ultimately, this country is run by people who think truth comes from a book, and if reality disagrees then reality is wrong and the books are right.
Until individuals start to actually think for themselves instead of listening to pundits and self-proclaimed experts, we’re just fixing symptoms, not curing the disease.
April 26th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Store front needs to be built out of welded steel, with locked steel doors. Only have a window open with metal bars for dispensing prescriptions, simliar to a bank. Ring bell for service kind of thing.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
Reminds me of that movie V for Vendetta. I don’t live in california , but reading that things like this happen routinely frightens me and makes me glad to live a bit further north where I haven’t see / heard of much of this.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
fuckin FEDS. biggest criminals of all
April 26th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
“The Revolution: A Manifesto” by Dr Ron Paul is a new book that may interest you.
Dr Paul introduced a Cannabis decriminalization bill to congress last week, the first such legislation introduction in 24 years. He is a congressman from Texas and a true champion of liberty. You can pick up Dr Paul’s new book on Amazon for a whopping $12 (US).
April 26th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Those agents need to puff a fatty and chill
April 26th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
fuckin stoners
April 26th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
“It is legally entitled to operate in every way under California law and was doing absolutely nothing wrong. Don’t think we’re living under the thumb of soft fascism? Even if you don’t use cannabis, or for some reason have a problem with others using it, you should be disturbed by your federal government’s continued abuse of state’s rights.”
This is patently false. Whether you agree or disagree with federal law, they clearly and absolutely were in violation of federal law. The rights of the State of California where not broken nor abused; state laws contrary to federal law are simply unconstitutional under the 10th amendment.
Put plainly, if pot is illegal in the US, it’s illegal in the US, and California is the US.
Fight about the federal law; but in this case, the DEA did exactly what they are chartered to do. They are not the villians; go attack your lawmakers.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
FBI really should be FBOC. Federal Bureau of Organized Crime.
Seriously, when your own government starts using tactics perfected by the mafia…. maybe it is time to leave for someplace more democratic and not so fascist.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
There is currently a bill floating around capitol hill to de-penalize individuals using this substance. As Sun says, the clever warrior wins a battle before the opponent realizes defeat. To legalize marijuana, is to have a rebellious citizen base in the millions exercising civil disobedience, protesting against criminal penalties, and to subject selves to imprisonment for a cause, FLOOD THE JAILHOUSES!!! This is the only way to decriminalize this use.
START GETTING LOCKED UP FOR MARIJANE USE.
If a million citizens inundate the system with misdemeanor marijane charges, and more citizens pick up the act to flood the police precincts begging to be locked up for smoking a joint, the ostensible ramifications would come not from we the protestors, but the parents of kids behind bars for smoking pot. They(parents) will add the additional momentum needed to decriminalize these acts,
Please someone else build on this, perhaps we could organize a nationwide call to redemption! Perhaps, April 20th 2009?
April 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Kristallnacht anyone?
April 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Citizens should not be afraid of their government, the Government should be afraid of it’s citizens.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Two points:
1. To the reader who said we don’t technically have fascism in the U.S. I don’t agree. Fascism is the collusion of the private business sector and the government. The only reason the anti-pot laws exist is because big business lobbied for them in the late ’30s. Now the fed are enforcing those laws that were written by, and for the benefit of those big corporations. If that’s not business-government collusion (fascism) I don’t know what is.
2. I hate that the feds are doing this, but before we starts creaming for state’s rights let’s remember that when certain states refused to follow federal law by not allowing black students to attend white universities after desegregation, I think we can all agree it was a good thing when the federal troops went in an enforced the law against the wishes of the state government.
April 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
When the state laws and federal laws differ, what recourse does the state have? If caught by local law enforcement, can the DEA officers conducting the raids be arrested for trespassing, burglary, etc? If it’s a raid, does that mean the agency has warrants, or do they not need them? Can’t California pass a law that says DEA agents can’t conduct raids? What are the available options?
April 26th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Its all about money and control. Marijuana ‘has no medicinal value’ so it is illegal yet marinol is accaeptable and ‘legal’ because it is up to 45.00 per pill. Pot is bad but coke brought in by republicans in Florida is acceptable and NEVER have the feds done anything about it even when the planes are painted as fake DHS planes.
Since it is all about money and control you think they would get wise and instead of imprisoning all these people they would simply fine them so the ’state’ has a continuos revenue source.
And lastly over 800,000 Americans die from prescription drug interactions. The DEA tracks only ‘abusable’ drugs. Maybe they could save a few hundred thousand lives if they tracked all prescriptions and flagged those with dangerous combinations. The docs don’t care they just want people out of the office. The Feds obviously don’t care. I knew of a ‘civilian’ member of the DEA advisory board whose son boasted his father made over 140 million a year in illegal drug transactions. AND THIS MAN WAS ON THE DEA ADVISORY BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Yes, Bryce! Vote Ron Paul for President! He will release everyone in jail on drug charges, and stop the war on drugs, and give the states their rights back, so CA can have their own pot and the Feds can’t do a thing.
April 26th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I am proud of ya, m’boy for making the front page of DIGG! I dig yr articles of particles and past participles. Your prepositional phrases leave my head in hazes.
I have the machine.
I am the machine.
April 26th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
why dont you install an alarm siren lol like a 150db type that way next time they do this you can track them by who in the dea is deaf. and that will warn all the neibors to get thier video cameras out to show what the gov is like. and while your at it make all of your internal cameras internet that way they cant just take your tape and you will have vandalisim records.
April 26th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
oh and they are villian they could have walked in during the day and served a warrant like they are supposed to do. there are no guns there there arent any gangs in there. so why the heavy handed bust up the shop thing? citizens are protected against unwarrented search and seizure? due process is what is being questioned here not just thier actions. thugs barge in not officers of the court. they werent raiding the colubian gangs but an open buisness that was not a threat to officers and the force and after hours seizure of their stock was the problem.
next time DEA just walk in during the day and sieze it your destruction of property goes to show that you take it too far and are being very thug like in action no matter what your thought was.
remember actions speak louder than words
April 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
“i don’t understand why THC isn’t available in a tablet if medical marijuana is truly helpful to people. i mean, we get morphine and codeine in pills rather than smoking opium – and although opiates are highly abused, they are still widely used as painkillers and depressants, especially in the elderly with chronic illness. just a thought.”
THC is available as the drug Marinol, commonly given to AIDS patients with anorexia or cancer patients dealing with the side effects of chemotherapy. As for the clubs providing weed in different forms, a lot of people want to be able to buy edibles as to not destroy their lungs. There has never been a documented fatality from marijuana use, yet other more addictive prescription drugs are prescribed for everything. Just something to think about.
April 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
“stolen” is not the correct word.
April 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Okay… Phil G.: States only have rights where the constitution is silent. so it’s not that CA, or any other state, can’t pass whatever laws they want… it’s just that those state laws that conflict with federal law are invalid (I’m assuming there is some federal trigger such as interstate commerce, which is very broad)…. whether federal agencies actually enforce their laws is another matter. it’s likely the raid was properly sanctioned. The only way to actually prevent Federal agents from doing something like this is to change the federal stance, or secede from the union… which didn’t really work very well last time.
Also, Mackman, fascism is not really collusion between government and business, it’s government forcing everything/everyone within the state to act together–as an organism. The difference between collusion and force is important.
April 26th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
The “war” on drugs, the “war” in Iraq, ….. They are ALL “wars” on money. Think about it.
April 26th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
This dispensary is not just a legal business – it’s a legal TAX-PAYING business which charges 8.25% on every purchase, just like Target or 7-11!! Considering how much revenue these business bring to our nearly bankrupt state, the city should be protecting them against property crimes and harassment just like any other business – with force if necessary. As for the DEA- they must be in ‘their last throes ‘-
with 300 + dispensaries operating in LA County this genie isn’t going back in the bottle anytime soon.
April 26th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
David1x: paying and charging state tax does not negate the fact that they are breaking federal law. That said, taxing drugs is a fantastic way to make money and I support it 100%. Too bad it will not fly with Midwesterners.
April 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
well, not necessarily Midwesterners…
April 26th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
cannabis makes my face look stupid.
go cannabis!
April 26th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
“The HNC is clean, quiet, and everyone who works there is really nice.”
I’m sure there are some quite friendly houses of prostitution where everyone is really nice as well…doesn’t make it legal.
“It is legally entitled to operate in every way under California law and was doing absolutely nothing wrong”
…other than violating federal drug laws (you know, that silly thing the DEA enforces!)
” They then proceeded to steal all the medicine (Super Silver Haze and OG Kush going the fastest.) ”
That is the most lenient use of the word “medicine” I have seen in some time.
“It is legally entitled to operate in every way under California law and was doing absolutely nothing wrong”
…other than distributing an illegal drug in violation of Federal drug control laws. Too bad California is a part of the United States and beholden to its federal laws…or perhaps you would be correct!
“Even if you don’t use cannabis, or for some reason have a problem with others using it, you should be disturbed by your federal government’s continued abuse of state’s rights.”
The FDA regulates drugs. That is a Federal agency (hence the ‘F’). The state can pass no law superceding federal laws. The state does not regulate the approval, dispensation and sale of drugs, the Federal Government does. When you violate these laws, don’t be surprised when the DEA comes knocking.
This is not an abuse of state’s rights. This is a matter of law. Fed > State > Local
I am not saying the Federal laws are right or wrong, but I cannot sympathize with your position on this issue because it defies common sense to blatently break federal law and then wonder why they break down your door.
Are you people unfamiliar with the law, or just don’t agree with it?
“the more this happens the more people will demand state’s rights be defended..”
The State does not have the power to regulate medicine OR drugs. Period. If you call Marijuana medicine, the Feds regulate it. If you call it a DRUG, the Feds regulate it. Those are your choices!
“This dispensary is not just a legal business – it’s a legal TAX-PAYING business which charges 8.25% on every purchase”
Collecting money for distributing a Federally banned illegal substance is not a legal business. How can you think otherwise? The lack of reason is astounding!
It is fine to question US drug policy, but you must be stoned if you some how think this “dispensory” is a legal entity under today’s federal law.
April 26th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Everyone who goes into the pot business is well aware it is against federal law. Their problem if they want to flaunt it and get busted. Pot is not a savior medicine. The federal government has been very restrained in enforcement or all those establishments would be shut down as fast as they are opened. None of the states has the resources or thoroughness of the FDA to research, interpret research, or oversee medicines or treatments. Until such time that they accept the responsibility in those respects they don’t deserve the power of regulation or approval. Can you imagine going from state to state to purchase one drug that is approved in one state and not in another? The few “progressive” states have failed to make a convincing argument to others. Neither have they sponsored any product that the FDA can approve that pass the three phase trials that are required for drug approval. I suspect that’s because it wound not hold up to the hype. Many natural remedies don’t hold up to the claims once tested, even if there was scientific rationals to run it through drug trials.
None the less… the nation has held fast as to pot being illegal. Decriminalizing it still leaves it illegal. It would help empty out jails of petty users which is OK with me if that’s what people want. There are many things the states can’t decide. They are not independent nations. I find it strange that progressive states have more governmental regulations and more socialist policies and call the federal government fascist … cracks me up. They also whine the loudest for the federal government to help them out. Trying to find a loophole in federal law where their is none gets you what you have coming. Ask Wesley Snipes. LOL!
April 26th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
According to basic law properties, the government has and will use the right to freeze assets including property of an individual if it can be proven either by warrant or by “plain sight” reasoning. The point of a raid is simple. It is a raid. They don’t say, hey at 5 o’clock a month from now I am going to barge in and check out/take your stuff with this authorized warrant. It would be extremely inefficient way of doing business. Since a good portion of people who commit federal crime are committing the crime for a purpose of their own. Mostly it is their way of sustaining there cash flow. In this case cannabis. My general overall thought is. You don’t like the fact it is considered contraband then fine, take your fight for contraband. If you are going to take your argument about a government following a perfectly legal policy in its litigation on seizing property under a warrant, then be prepared to fight and realize that they do their procedure a certain way for a reason. Not every person involved with contraband is a happy friendly business owner trying to make a buck. There are some that are not-so-happy drug cartel willing to give a bullet to anyone trying to mess with their cash and property. Yeah it stinks the way they have to go about the governments business, but they are doing there job as the laws have been passed. This way so far has been proven to be the most efficient way possible of handling business when it comes to illegal contraband and the best way of avoiding a nasty scenario of a violent confrontation if not worse.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
In colonial times, free men fought back against the heavy handed tactics of the British occupation troops. I’m not suggesting an incident like the one at the Murrah Federal Bldg. in Oklahoma City to get the feds attention but clearly something needs to wake these Nazi storm troopers up to the reality and consequences of their actions. The rights of a state’s population to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness should not be infringed on by King George (Bush). These people of the sovereign state of California have every right to determine their own destiny and they have decided to allow themselves freedom of choice regarding the use of a benign herb as a remedy for perceived ailments. California and a few other states have made the decision to exempt themselves from this insane, unwarranted prohibition on cannabis and their rights as a sovereign state should not be trampled.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
To “Dude”. Thanks for the comments. The argument that is forming here is whether the federal government SHOULD have a say in state or local matters like medical marijuana. Nobody is arguing that these federal laws DON’T exist, or pretending that they don’t exist. It’s not an UNFAMILIARITY with the law, Dude, it’s a QUESTIONING of it. Many claim that small, localized provisions help maintain a better sense of social well-being. I happen to agree with that line of thought, and have for many years.
Take care,
Geoff
April 26th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
hah they wouldnt dare ever allow you to use cannibus. It works for way too many ailments and is way too affective. That would just destroy the drug companies monopoly on medicine. I could name over 30 things ive personally felt and saw it can be used for. Lets see skeletal relaxor, muscle relaxor, headaches, migraines, constipation, upset stomach, insomnia, stress , anxiety, comforting agent, a whole list of mental diseases ( depression, psychosis, trust me theres hella) , but what they hate most about it is that it will make a man lose prejudices and think so far outside the box that you begin to understand what exactly they are up to. Ive never believed that our votes actually matter. And if they can just get everything changed to electronic all youd have to do is rig the master tabulation machine. Ive seen electronic voting machines hacked about three times now. You hack it through the buttons on the front. After that you can set it to print off the real choice while rigging the tabulated results. Like after it goes to count move 30% of ones total votes to the other candidate… i just noticed the comment about do not ever believe anyone about anything… nihilism. haha.
April 26th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
This is sick, This government is so corrupt. It’s not the officials faults either. If I were a cop and were handed the orders to do what the DEA did I would be all about it. Lets fuckin RAGE. Someone up in the ranks is being a glorified douche. Personally myself I have tried smoking weed. It’s not something I liked all too much, but what am i to say what people do with their lives. I am starting to dislike the USA, I swear every way you turn we’re getting fucked. From the gas prices, to the taxes, to them locking up people for petty crimes such as having a roach and just straight fucking like 3-5 years of their lives up. It’s just horrendous.
April 26th, 2008 at 6:05 pm
Crazy shit. That dispensary is at the end of my street – like 500 ft from where I live. I wasn’t sure if that was the “famous” vending machine, but your remark about 7-11 cleared up the confusion.
What a sad world. Neighbor.
April 26th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
please don’t use term soft fascism…it sounds too good for what it is…there is no such thing as soft fascism…if it look like a hitler withour mustache, and talk like a hitler without mustache than it’s damn..hitler without mustache…
April 26th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
Best part of this story:
Nothing will happen to the DEA.
April 26th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Fuck the DEA overriding states laws. They need to legalize the medicinal uses of marijuana for the entire nation. Honestly, what harm could be done if someone had the choice to have pot prescribed to them for personal help? Some violence and crime would be reduced from the streets. Less dealers and users in jail (less taxes) Goddamnit! I’m pissed…they might as well throw state laws in the ocean, like we do everything else we consume in this fucked up country! I’m gonna light up
Peace
April 26th, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Trab says – Well, they were violating FEDERAL drug laws, even if they weren’t violating California drug laws. They weren’t operating legally in the United States, only in California.
Are you saying it was ok? When did people become so brain-washed that they think the federal govt is supposed to be over states’ rights??? People need to learn their rights because they are losing them left and right. Less federal govt people! “We the People” are in charge!
April 26th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
“Regardless of what state laws exist to make selling marijuana, even medicinally, legal, federal laws will trump them every time.”
Except the Constitution does not give the government authority over this issue when there is no interstate commerce, despite what the SC seems to think.
April 26th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
“That is the most lenient use of the word “medicine” I have seen in some time.”
The American Psychiatric Association, the premier association of psychiatric doctors disagrees. It releaves symptoms, and is therefore a medicine.
April 26th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Amendment 10 – Powers of the States and People
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
April 26th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
We were worried if they had used 1″ thick plexi-glass we would have had to come back with some serious tools. I fucking love ripping hippy pot heads off, more than I like fucking little Filipino Boys.
April 26th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
The point that the Supreme Court having to capitulate and ease the MJ laws for the states to be able to benefit from medicinal MJ (and not suffer the consequences of federal law) being abundantly made, efforts to decriminalize or even allow for medical usage at the STATE level have been quashed by various STATE governments as well.
Such is the case here in Arizona where TWICE medicinal MJ was to be allowed with the SIGNATURE OF TWO LICENSED MEDICAL DOCTORS, but our state LEGISLATURE GUTTED THE INITIATIVE the FIRST TIME, then the Feds in effect gutted it the second time by stating that ANY DOCTOR IN ARIZONA who wrote a prescription for MJ would be prosecuted to the FULL EXTENT OF FEDERAL LAW. Do you think ANY doctors were willing to write ANY medical MJ prescriptions? NO. Nor were ANY attorneys willing to stand by any of the doctors.
UNTIL WE PUSH BACK, WE WILL BE PUSHED AROUND.
April 26th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Anyone who is against the DEA doing these raids, and who votes for McCain…. is a confused self-harming idiot
April 26th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Oh, this US government operates as fascist. Cleverly clothed in the flag, waving the flag, national defense and all that. So tell me. What nasty foreign government is the DEA protecting us adults from when they commit multiple felonies, destroy property, and steal business property, eh? None. That is fascism. Do they arrange a talk with the owner? No. Do they file papers in court? No. They bust in, destroy property. That is fascism.
We think fascism was in Germnay in the 1930s and 1940s. It was. And it is here now. It dones very cleverly. Did you know, the US government, under laws passed by our representatives, is now legally entitled to take any US citizen at any time as it sees fit and take them outside the country and do whatever they like to them? (Rendering in a time of war.) That the US government is not legally entitle to seize any property without explanation or compoensation?
The current administration has expended the good will built up by the US over the last 1000 years, such as it was. The US is now in the position of losing its status througha shredded dollar, excessively leveraged governement financing to China, and continued excessive dependence on foreign energy. We had our chance to break free eight years ago; instead Bush et al took this country, saluting the flag all the way, to a state of ruin that is only now unfolding.
It is by our own personal acts of responsibility and imagination that we will find better ways to opeate in the next decades. But we must not count on our government for this. They have already passed into the grey murk of fascist enforecement of laws that have no meaning.
April 26th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
“The argument that is forming here is whether the federal government SHOULD have a say in state or local matters like medical marijuana.”
This statement reveals some possible misconceptions that you may be holding…the Federal government exclusively states that medical marijuana is NOT a state or local matter. This may be your opinion of the way it should be (and perhaps it should), however it is currently not a state or local matter despite whatever laws California has passed for its locale.
“Fuck the DEA overriding states laws.”
I don’t think you’ve been reading things correctly. See, the State of California is trying to override Federal laws by allowing marijuana dispensories to be compliant with state law. The State of California is overriding Federal laws, not the other way around you silly goose!
“Goddamnit! I’m pissed…they might as well throw state laws in the ocean”
Don’t you realize that your position is essentially trying to throw Federal laws into the ocean?
“Are you saying it was ok? When did people become so brain-washed that they think the federal govt is supposed to be over states’ rights???”
So what happens when your city wants to overrule the state’s laws? Or perhaps your city precinct wants to overrule city laws? Of course, you are the King of your castle, so by your reasoning you should be able to override all of the above, correct?
The actions of the DEA are justified in a society governed by laws. The laws clearly state that the federal agencies of the DEA and FDA have jurisdiction over this area of law. I suggest you contact your congressman and try to get the laws changed instead of imagining that this was somehow unlawful.
It may not be just, but it is lawful.
I think the real issue here is about the states gaining the right to regulate drugs.
Its actually much more complicated than this because our federal drug control laws are partially in place to be compliant with international treaties, specifically to comply with the United Nations International Drug Control Programme.
This turns this into an international issue, so not only do you have to turn over the rights of drug control to the state, you need to get us to withdraw our participation in this treaty. This affects international drug traffiking laws, extradition treaties, in addition to money laundering and arms dealing regulations.
Have fun with that one.
“Anyone who is against the DEA doing these raids, and who votes for McCain…. is a confused self-harming idiot”
Being against the DEA is being against less government. Republicans are all for less government. McCain is a Republican, so he must want less government. Vote for McCain to get the DEA abolished! lol
April 26th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
You all, and I am guilty too, have spent far too much time on this line of commenting/debate.
I will simply say that I hope their store gets repaired quickly, and that the people who work there are able to get back to work, so that they have a paycheck at the end of the day to spend on overpriced gasoline and overpriced food products that we have here in the U.S.
They must have been scared out of their minds! Who’s helping restore their stock, will they reopen, does the DEA have the power to prosecute these businesses and will they be eligible then to be sent to federal prison where more of our hard earned tax dollars will pay to sustain their hungry bellies?
This country needs to fucking simplify.
End of story.
April 26th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
What an idiots!
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April 27th, 2008 at 12:05 am
The DEA is in constant battle with Medicinal Marijuana Laws, because they are FEDERAL.
April 27th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Consider the fact that the DEA enforces whatever role it must play to stop the drug war even where it legally should not be intereferring. Consider the events that took place in the spring of 2001, when U.S.invades sovereign Sioux Reservation to destroy industrial hemp field. ITS ON A RESERVATION! What good does the U.S. do to cut these people off from the potential of hemp to help the people of Pine Ridge?
ONE IMPORTANT FACT: Back during WW2, the U.S. government CONTRACTED the same reservation to produce hemp for the war effort. They destroyed the harvest consecutive times and if you research Pine Ridge reservation, you will see that its one of the most underdeveloped areas in the U.S.
I am not native American nor is this sympathy towards them, I am simply stating the obvious with no strings attached. The government doesn’t want self sustainable approaches to living life. They want us dependent on their economic hand outs and hurting us in the process. WAKE UP please, if not, Mexico will seem really, really nice to all of you.
April 27th, 2008 at 1:43 am
RUN FROM THE CURE – The Rick Simpson Stor
http://www.youtube.com/chrychek
The true story of hemp, as told by Rick Simpson, the man who cured cancer with hemp oil. Please visit http://www.phoenixtears.ca for a vast collection of hemp research and hidden truth about “the miracle medicine”!
April 27th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Don’t worry, Hillary will make sure the cops are too busy keeping you in your home after curfew. East Germany, 1985: Best contraband market in Europe.
April 27th, 2008 at 2:30 am
does this mean I can open a Medicinal heroin shop in L.A. County and I will only get my windows broken every so often?
April 27th, 2008 at 2:35 am
RON PAUL would make sure that those machines were not only left alone & safe, but help make them legal in ALL places!!!
Go join your local Ron Paul meetup group. No matter what the main stream media nazis & Neo-Cons tell you,
He Is Not Out of the Presidential Race.
He is still an official candidate & supports not only marijuana, but all the uses of hemp.
RonPaul2008.com
April 27th, 2008 at 2:56 am
I say shoot the fascist bastards. They have done more destruction than all the “illegal” drugs ever could. We are no longer a country ruled by humanitarian law but ruled by a gang of thugs that do everything in their power to destroy and force us into submission. Armed revolution is the only way that the back of these New World Order fascist pricks will be broken. They are the epitome of evil incarnate. May they rot in hell.
April 27th, 2008 at 3:29 am
The DEA are just upset because the store hits their profits on their illegal coke running operations. Put a big sign up on the store telling the DEA to fuck off and use volunteer guards (there are thousands who will volunteer to do this) to stand in front of the store with legally registered handguns and CWP’s (concealed weapons permits). Have them hold banners saying – Come and get it DEA. And the party will start.
April 27th, 2008 at 3:59 am
What a hipocritical nation we live in. We sign up for the social welfare safety net and make Uncle Sam our God, we incorporate under his wing and then cry and whine when we violate his will for us. If this is how the government treats its own excise franchisments, what will they do with their own?
April 27th, 2008 at 4:06 am
I’ll go one further, even if 90% of the people who smoke weed do it to relax,catch a buzz, whatever – those reasons too are none of the federal mafia’s business.
Who cares if it’s medicinal,we have to go all the way with demanding the repeal of these ridiculous laws that cost billions,imprison millions and only serve to expand the size and threat of government.
I see how stupid these drug laws are and I’m not even a smoker.
April 27th, 2008 at 4:21 am
This is sad so very sad .If this plant can help the people so much ,in so many ways ,Then why is it illegal?Only pure evil would let suffering continue when there is a cure .
April 27th, 2008 at 4:56 am
I think it is high time that all Americans wake up out of their comfort zone(coma) . All the states should suceed from the union and tell the federal government to go where the sun does not shine. They are all crooks in Washington.
April 27th, 2008 at 4:56 am
ofcourse the federal thugs will come on take away the meds, the ones that truly work.who do you think pays their salaries to do such to eliminate competition.Hmmmmmmmm,pharmaceutical companies…and our abused tax money…America has become the fascist nation,there is nothing “soft” about it at all…………The Revolution is on the horizon.
April 27th, 2008 at 5:21 am
To excercise federal law and confiscate marijuana is one thing. the destruction of property is another. The Feds do this to intimidate the masses. They need to strike fear in the people in order to keep thier power. The reality is, thier numbers are very small in comparison to the masses. The people need to resist thier bullying tactics in masse. If the people stood up against them in large numbers, they would have no power.
I’m sick of the fascism in the USA. The people were the driving force behind the birth and growth of this great nation and they are the only hope of saving it from being run by thugs and bullies.
Wake up America!!!! Our nation has been taken from us. It’s past time to take it back. We can’t let it go any further.
April 27th, 2008 at 5:56 am
Ah, for years and years and tears, Californians have been hearing from New York about the legal doctrine of DIRECT ESTOPPEL — to no avail. Pot activists refuse to believe there is a simple legal overturn of medical prohibition. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, IN THEIR 19TH CENTURY PHARMACOPIA, HAS PUBLISHED THEIR ADMISSION TO THE KNOWN MEDICAL USE OF POT. Therefore, Nixon’s “Schedule I” classification is a fraud, and the Schedule I status of pot can be directly estopped (only as a defense) in federal court. It’s a motion made in the courtroom, why don’t you try it already? The pharmacopia has been published, the admission made, the estoppel must stand.
April 27th, 2008 at 6:40 am
the herb is the healin of all nations Mon
April 27th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Big pharma doesn’t want you to get medicine that you don’t buy from them, So they use their thugs (dea,fbi cia,) bought and paid for thugs, to insure that you’ll only give them money for their drugs. say NO to drugs unless its the ones we’re selling seems to be the way things are. WE are in a veiled fasicist state and its gonna get much worse Big corp + government =Fascism, Just what we have now, Like it folks? Cause its only started. hail the furor!!!
April 27th, 2008 at 7:02 am
There will come a time in the future when We The People will become so tired of this type of behavior that we will spontaniously rise up. On that day the jack-booted thugs will come for whatever it is they want, a person, some pot, a home etc; it doesn’t matter, it’s all just a show to show you who runs the country and the people will say enough is enough.
What those DEA agents needed was an old fashioned ass kicking. People should corner those bastards, take their guns away from them, and literally beat the living shit out of them. Then let them go back to the office and ponder what might happen the next time they go out on one of their raids.
April 27th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Sounds like the same ‘club’ used to convince us to pay illegal taxes, just handed across the aisle to the DEA. How long are we to allow them to pick us off, one by one.
Educate and facilitate!
Peace, Johnny B Mikel LMT Capt. Chaplin Missouri 9TH
April 27th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Marijuana: has been used for ages; Evidence of the inhalation of cannabis smoke can be found as far Back as the Neolithic Age… Since then, Not a Single Human Has Ever Died Because Of It! Because it’s Practically non- Toxic to us with an LD50 of between approximately 50 and 86 g for a 68 kg (150 lb) female or Male person respectively. This would be equivalent to 1-1.8 kg of cannabis with a 5% THC content (roughly average) taken Orally.
In Fact- We Have body Parts Meant to Take in Cannabinoids!!! These are Our CB1 and CB2 Cannabinoid Receptors and they help Regulate many important body functions using naturally occuring cannabinoids present such anandamide (or “arachidonoylethanolamide”) and governs many vital bodily functions including:
* appetite * bone density * mood regulation * reproduction * blood pressure * Learning capacity * motor coordination …
One of the major functions of this system is the protection of nerve cells from damage by over activation of neurotransmitters.
Marijuana is Distinguished From most other currently illicit drugs by the locations of its brain-receptor sites for two predominant reasons:
(1) The lack of receptors in the medulla significantly reduces the possibility of accidental, or even deliberate, death from THC,
~ and ~
(2) the lack of receptors in the mesocorticolimbic pathway significantly reduces the risks of addiction and serious physical dependence.
As a therapeutic drug,
these features are Nature’s greatest gifts.
Marijuana HAS NEVER KILLED A SINGLE HUMAN BIENG IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF MAN KIND.
Legal, widely used and accepted aspirin on the other hand:
“Common over-the-counter painkillers such as aspirin kill around 20,000 Americans every year, and another 100,000 end up in hospital as a result of taking the drug, new research reveals”
~ Proceedings of the Annual Scientific Meeting of the American College of Gastroenterology, October 15, 2007.
Maybe its Time to rethink our drug laws…
Any form of drug use (from aspirin to Marijuana, from Salvia to “the pill”, Legal or Not) is a public health issue, not a criminal one.
We Learned Prohibition doesnt work (With Alcohol). So Why Repeat it???
- Luis Hirschlieb
Ps. In Case You Haven’t Noticed Yet- Its Not Illegal To “Protect” You, Its Illegal To Protect The Interest’s Of Big Buisness And The Pharmacuetical Company as well as many other entities.
Anyone That SUpports This Prohibition (regardless of how noble their cuase or if they the truth know it or not) are also supporting the years and years of LIES and FACISM and RASICM that Not Only Went Into Creating It But That STILL GOES INTO KEEPING IT GOING. ( Today -Blacks make up 14% of those who use drugs, yet 36 percent of those arrested are Blacks and it ends up that 63% of those who finally end up in prison are Blacks. )
PROHIBITION – IT IS A FORM OF MODERN DAY RACISM.
April 27th, 2008 at 7:25 am
You’re all missing the point. This is not about marijuana, nor about illegal entry, DEA abuse of power, or the Constitution, (which GWB has already burned to a crisp). Incidents like this are planned all over the country and happen daily. It keeps people’s attention away from the real reason this is happening. And that reason is to keep all of you occupied with little things while your enslavement progresses at a steady pace. You’re playing right into their hands, all of you. By concentrating on little things (which are very upsetting, to say the least,) your attention is diverted from the important things that affect not just one store, but all Americans.
How many of you still believe that your government is run by Americans for Americans? If you do, it’s too late. The takeover is complete.
April 27th, 2008 at 7:26 am
I am not a pot user, never have been, but it is a non issue to me. I worry about the Feds acting like they are something they are not. Yes Fed law trumps State law but to my knowledge there is nothing that says a state has to issue ocupancy permits to federal offices. In fact if nobody will sell, lease, rent offices to them then wouldn’t they have to remain outside the state except when they penetrate for raids? Seems to me this could be handeled on an individual bases. Just dont cater to the clowns.
If most folks want pot to be legal then its way past time that most folks jump and down on their politicians desk and demandthey take action. Nationwide, not just California. Further start towards getting the DEA budget cut. Start getting Judges recalled.
Carry the battle to them. A fortress is just a fancy coffin.
In my mind theft as described in the article is EXACTLY what this is along with VANDALISM. I know the fed laws make it legal and call it confiscation and damage incident to a raid, but where are the LOCAL police City and State? Where is the Neighborhood Watch? Where is the armed proprietor?
Thye Fed only governs with the CONSENT of the governed. Period.
April 27th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Keep in mind that the DEA can call upon all the “firepower” it needs. Comment #7 may
not understand the true ability held by Fed law enforcement. They can, and will, destroy you and any others in their path. If you have superior numbers, full auto weapons, and the willingness to die, save your efforts for a fight you could win.
The best way to stop these thugs is to legislate out the people who pay them. Not a quick fix, but it will spare you, and many others, certain death.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:05 am
The problem we face, is that we have allowed a system to develop that is self-serving and self-preservationist, but not self-sustainable. Therefore it must constantly feed from the sweat and blood of the people to survive. It is the predator and we (and our assets ) are the prey.
Someone mentioned the recent tax case against Westly Snipes as an example of what “standing up to the feds” can get you. If you look at the case, the only thing they could pin on him at the end of it all was that he ” failed to file”, not that he didn’t pay or anything else. They couldn’t just drop the charges altogether because he had to be made an example of. The system can’t operate at its present level without keeping a heavy thumb on the little people, if one little mouse gets too squeaky they have to squash it before others start squeaking too. What should have been on the front page news is that during the trial the feds were asked to show the ratified law wording that allowed them to directly tax the people of the US… they could not. Thousands of pages of tax laws and regulations have been piled on a foundation of … nothing. Of course they will defend that nothingness tooth and claw because we allowed that bad seed to take root and feed the system until it became a vital part of its self-serving survival.
Our founding fathers roll in their graves.
The worst, and best, part is…. history shows the outcome of what happens to governments that ignore and overstep the will of their people.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Wondered if American white people are capable of hitting the streets to overrule the fascist pigs or only blacks and Mexicans can beat crup out of them
April 27th, 2008 at 8:13 am
Smashing windows without need or reason? This isn’t law enforcement, this is terrrorism; REAL terrorism.
April 27th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Well if they get away at killing somebody,shooting them 30 times for nothing then what chance does the average Joe Have?They dont want you to have Medical Mary.The worthless FDA would rather let poison made in peoples garages like Heprin be approved because they already got there $60 Million Dolars so Baxter can poison people with it!The drug companies are the real criminals now days, and if they cannot extort money by way of outrageous prices for medicine that you could get in Canada for chump change,then you just have to die thats all!I have NO RESPECT for this Neocon sham of a country!No wonder the Arabs want to bomb us!
April 27th, 2008 at 8:30 am
‘A Human’ has it backward. ‘A Human’ is part of the problem, not part of the solution. The US government is Evil, and needs to be taken down, broken into little pieces, and burned in the incinerator of Revolution. The fascists and their apologists and defenders are our mortal enemies; they have proven time and time again that they are irredeemable ‘dead enders’. Down with the US fascist State!
April 27th, 2008 at 8:38 am
You know what stikes me so funny? The fact that people refer to this as “soft fascism” is one thing. But what really tickles my funny bone is that people keep talking about things in coffee circles and on the TV… “Is America slipping into fascism?” The truth of the matter is that we’ve BEEN under a fascist regime for more than 50 years. The only difference is that now that they’ve gotten all their ducks in a row while you folks were all out watching TV, reading PEOPLE and OK, or just plain jerkin’ off. So now, they can be as IN YOUR FACE blatent as they want to be. People act like none of what’s going on in our American society and political arena doesn’t make any sense. But it DOES if you understand history correctly. Here’s the biggest FRAUD ever perpetrated upon the world public at large. The United States and Britain won in the war against fascism and their agents in Germany, Italy, and Japan, the Fascist Party, and the Nazis. There’s your fraud. If you understand the fact that the FASCISTS won the war, and NOT the other way around. Then all of this makes sense. If you don’t believe me you can look all this up. First of you, you must NEVER confuse the German Army with the Nazi Party. The German Army was a tool of the German government. But the Nazis were NOT THE GERMAN ARMY! The Nazis were and ARE (they’re STILL the Nazis people) a COVERT OPERATIVE ORGANIZATION. So, the U.S. didn’t actually win the war. The Nazis CO-OPTED the United States and the OSS, which was then transformed into an organization which we now know as the Central Intelligence Agency. They then sent all of the WORST OF THE WORST Nazis to the United States to join our intelligence apparatus. The rest of them scattered about the globe, and immediately went to work at paving the way for the Fourth Reich, which is HERE TODAY, by forming more than 750 corporations globally, with more than 100 in the United States. So… Nazi’s aside, Italy is still Italy, but ROME is ROME, and the Vatican is still the Vatican… so that takes care of THAT part of the trifecta right there. Lest we forget the Japanese (who are also victims in all of this, but in a more horrific social engineering phenomena which has denigrated their society to where it is irreversably sliding into oblivion… more to come, you’ll see) McArthur freed Japan’s worst of the worst Yakuza, Industrialist war criminals, and ultranationalist fascists, from Sugamo prison and then guess what he did. He put those mo-fo’s RIGHT BACK IN CHARGE. ALL of this is true, and can be verified if you have a library card or internet access.
So… get used to it.
Fascism is here to stay, and you all deserve it for letting your hired politicians do your thinking for you.
April 27th, 2008 at 9:01 am
You guys read that a bill is being introduced to remove federal penalties for personal marijuana use right? It’s about time! Hopefully it passes.
http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/110_HR_5843.html
April 27th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I cannot believe someone sided with the feds saying they were in compliance with state law not federal law. FYI the states are sovereigns just like the Vatican they just decided to band together for the betterment of mankind in this country, at least that is what was sold to us. Thus the fed was born. And there are UCC laws that protect us from this type of treatment. Just learn to file complaints!
“If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any citizen in the free exercise of enjoyment of any right or priveledge secured to him by the constitution of the laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same: or If two or more persons go in disguise on the highway or on the premise of another with the intent to prevent or hinder his free exercise or enjoyment of any right or priviledge so secured.
They shall be fined not more than 10k or imprisoned not more than ten years or both: If death results they shall be subject to imprisonment for any term of years or for life.” USC Title 18 SEC. 241 & 242 USC Title 42 & 1981, 1982, 1983, 1985, and 1986.
It really does go the people, then the city, then the county, then the state then the fed. Not the other way around and until you all wake the hell up its just going to keep getting worse and worse.
April 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am
“The CIA has been dealing drugs since before it was the CIA; already in its first days, as the OSS during World War II it was facilitating and managing the trade, and directing its criminal proceeds to the places of its master’s choosing. The use of the drug trade to secure economic advantage for an imperialist nation is at least as old a the British East India Company’s first smuggling of opium from India into China in the late 1600’s (the defense of that British practice, Scott points out, was John Stuart Mill’s motivation for writing the tract “On Liberty”) They did that for 300 years. Please credit the above to the great writer Michael C. Ruppert from his excellent book “Crossing The Rubicon”. The Federal Government may be enforcing drug laws, but don’t let anyone fool you, The Federal government is not without blame for promoting the illegal drug trade, that it also makes millions of dollars from.
April 27th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Wow. I think “bear” just made this thread jump the shark…
April 27th, 2008 at 9:56 am
A Human Man comment #9 and you would lie down passively and allow this country to be totally taken over by these communist’s?Would you also help them to shred the constitution? The time will come when you will have to pick a side.And like king george said,If you are not with us(the people)you are against us.Which is it A human man?
I for one will not march passively to my slavery.Nope this sheep bites.
April 27th, 2008 at 10:00 am
Just a another reason for me to keep my shotgun under my counter.
April 27th, 2008 at 10:18 am
#24 ben said
While this is super lame (don’t they have anything better to do?) and while I would definitely agree America fits the criteria of a facist country … Federal law trumps States rights – that’s constitution 101. Hopefully the bill to decriminalize pot passes.
Maybe you need to take constitution 101 over lol.When you think you are part of the solution make darn sure you are not part of the problem first.Google is a great research tool.
The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution plainly states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.” In other words, if it is not clearly enumerated in the Constitution that the United States government has the power to do something, as long as the Constitution does not prohibit the states from utilizing that power, then that power is left up to the States and to the people alone.
April 27th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Yeap…7JT was correct. The Feds and cops all believe they are acting within the law…but what law! Above the law that is! therefore….equally, we with them….they want to be above the law, then we will also be and we need to take them out with a shootout. As soon as they know we protect ourselves from them, they will be scared to death. Bring them on! They are evil to the highest form acting just as those Nazi’s did in WWII thinking they can do anything they please? Afterwards what were their sorry words? “We were only following orders”. Well guess what, they first were not protecting the people but higher ups and not the Constitution. Therefore just about every cop is an enemy combatant against the people. Think about it. Americans have been on a very thin line for too long with turning the other cheek and patience. Guess what? That time is coming to an end soon. Its time the cops and Feds have fear on their own faces when we confront them, because they do not represent nor serve or protect the Constitution, therefore we have an Internal Enemy to fight which our Founding Fathers said would happen. Start stocking up on guns and ammo people. Never let FEAR occupy your thoughts when confronting the Cops or FEDS. Its their game, play it with Passion for Liberty and Freedom in your heart!
April 27th, 2008 at 10:37 am
People are such idiots. Didn’t we learn during the Iran-Contra scandal that the federal government is the only group allowed to violate it’s own drug laws? The war on drugs is a monstrous fraud and our hypocrisy is sickening.
April 27th, 2008 at 10:49 am
I just spoke to BUPA International, Europe’s largest health insurer.
Asking whether I am covered for drugs, not specifying which, they obviously said yes, my policy does cover it. Having received a positive answer, I asked if they just said they cover drugs do they cover marijuana if perscribed by a doctor. At this point, trying to suppress a laugh, the guy told me he wants a manager to listen in. At which point i repeated everything and this time the two of them, trying to contain laughter said that if would be a very itneresting and academic case if someone tried to claim. This would automatically mean this going to court and would give the issue wider coverage in Europe. Unfortunately i dont live in Cali nor do I particularly like weed – however I would love to read the fallout.
April 27th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Dude:
You are a fascist enabler. Your “were a nation of law(s)” rhetoric is so tired and old. You are also a globalist piece of trash – if you think the right of a dying person who lives in a State has legalized medical marijuana should refrain from bettering their life because of some goddamn treaty – entered into by unelected beurocrats?? Fuck you, pal.
That may be your pathetic, subservient outlook on the state of affairs. But you seem to forget that for the greater part of American history – a history that continues to this day, the States themselves traditionally regulated the doctors and physicians in their state. State medical boards/exams, etc… not federal. Just because the government has a desire to outlaw a plant deemed popular with undesirable populations (mexicans, blacks and then hippies) while at the same time protecting profits of some of its biggest benefactors – does not mean we the people are simply left out of the equation!
The government is not neutral here – as it consistently and persistently prevents meaningful studies on marijuana to be conducted. It won’t let anyone grow their own pot for studies – instead insisting that doctors use the government’s own shitty pot grown on a farm in Mississippi. The government produces mass propaganda demonizing cannabis at tax payer expense – all of which is widely unfounded. In short, we are being lied to. Repeatedly. People are dying. To protect corporate profits and keep the large budgets of the DEA, etc… fully intact – the government lets them suffer and die. And we are paying it for it all. That is fascism, you cheer it on, you suck. I hope karma strikes down upon you what you deserve.
The government has declared war on marijuana, however, declaring war on a harmless plant is non-sensical, its double-speak. They have declared war on people. There are casualties in this war, at least 800,000 a yr. Some fatal. Raids on wrong homes, unecessary death of innocent people and officers alike – - all for nothing. And you are telling me that because of the supremacy clause, we have to take it like good little eichhman’s? I think not.
April 27th, 2008 at 10:56 am
To #114 Patriot2012
You won’t be able to stock up on ammo for much longer. This corrupt government is well aware that if you control the ammo, you control the people, and any resistance to the agenda. If you are going to try to protect yourself, you had better do it right now because an outright ban on ammo sales is more than likely in the works. Even if you can buy it, you will have to prove a need for it along with all of your personal info, so they will know exactly who to confiscate said ammo from when martial law is declared. Sooner or later they will win. They own all of the resources remember.
April 27th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Sorry to #114 Patriot 2012
Please forgive me for not saying that I agree with everything you said in your comment. I just wish that we as honorable hard working tax paying citizens could live without fear of brutal attacks on everything that we hold dear by the very government that we try to support. When is the average American going to be able to exist without the harrassment of the illuminati government that is now in power? I will be extremely suprised if there is an election this year at all. When Mr Bush declares martial law, he will postpone the election until such time as the emergengcy is over, or, until he takes his last breath, whichever is first. People in this country fail to remember that we as Americans gave this illuminati puppet these powers when we allowed the passage of “The Patriot Act”. While we were busy wondering what Brittany Spears was up to, our country was being quietly stolen from us.
April 27th, 2008 at 11:15 am
To all commentors that said something to the extent that even though they weren’t breaking California laws, that they were in breach of Federal requirements….. 10th amendment! States rights are supposed to trump federal law mmmmK. You’ve been brainwashed otherwise so I understand, but you are WRONG. 10th Amendment is sooo important. Federal government is here to serve us, not visa versa comrades.
April 27th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Our predator class knows that you all plan to take them off, and that is why they built up this large nuclear arsenal.
There is also a large underground that they plan to hide in while they take us off.
The laws against weed came into play as a way to prevent the spread of income-makes it harder to prey on your labor if you have a few bucks in your pocket-and weed also makes you more independent of their petroleum products.
When our newly minted nuclear war fighting predator class made the decision way back in 1946 to ‘Smoke’ us with nuclear weapons, their right to power ended: Forever.
The people being held in prisons throughout this old crown colony are being held at the behest of an organized group of criminals, operating at the most significant level of opportunity.
The game is over folks, it is only that most people have yet to figure it all out. It is deep, but it is true; we are the LIVING DEAD. Our nuclear war fighting elite pulled the ‘Trigger’ on us long ago.
Their laws, rules, prison camps, death squads ‘Murder for hire specialists, are all going away.
“Weed” may then arise again to spread income amongst the people.
April 27th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Where these guys not giving their cut to the D.E.A.?
I think it would be easy for the state to arrest these D.E.A. agents and charge them understate laws for violating the citizens rights under California law. Just because you have a federal badge doesn’t mean what your doing is right. We have state laws and a local officials for a reason. It would be easy to arrest these agents at their homes early in the morning before they go to work. Like common criminals.
Prohibition has failed and it is taking way to long for the poeple that get paid to harass pot users to give up their funding.
April 27th, 2008 at 11:53 am
Man I wish they had those machines here in NJ. I bet the pot is top shelf too, not like the garbage I risk my life in the slums to buy. They should just make it legal. I drive stoned all the time, with no problems, but after a six pack of beer I would not be able to do so.
April 27th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
DEA and others like them who aren’t capable of feeling good have to ruin it for other people.
Pretty simple: MISERY [ or the cockroach(es) ] loves company
April 27th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Now were am i gonna get my pot from now???
April 27th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
WOW, only a small number of people have any sympathy left in the U.S. government role of a super power… OUr nations’ fore fathers, despite their indignant support for native americans, mexicans, africans, and chinese to name a few, warned against a powerful executive branch and embraced the idea that popular sentiment through a democratic process would be the most important asset we as a people have.
Good to see some of us are exercising it right now!
April 27th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
“Dude:
You are a fascist enabler. Your “were a nation of law(s)” rhetoric is so tired and old. You are also a globalist piece of trash -”
WOW. Any civil society is governed by laws buddy. Anything else is anarchy. I’m not saying these laws are right or they are wrong, I am saying they are the LAW. The great thing about the USA is that there are ways of changing laws if they don’t work.
My amazement is over people being oblivious to the law. This raid appears to have somehow caught some people by SURPRISE! I’m not saying the laws are right or wrong, but they happen to be the law. If you don’t like ‘em get ‘em changed. If you break them, don’t act shocked when there are consequences.
” if you think the right of a dying person who lives in a State has legalized medical marijuana should refrain from bettering their life because of some goddamn treaty – entered into by unelected beurocrats?? Fuck you, pal.”
Why are you putting words into my mouth? The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 says this, not me.
You seem to have me confused with someone who wrote or signed these international agreements. If we change our drug laws it opens a can of worms internationally according to agreements in place, it is not a simple issue of everyone at the 4/20 smoke fest signing a petition and getting marijuana legalized.
“States themselves traditionally regulated the doctors and physicians in their state. State medical boards/exams, etc… not federal.”
Yes states regulate doctors, federal government regulates drugs…nobody has said otherwise.
“The government produces mass propaganda demonizing cannabis at tax payer expense”
Actually the government taxes marijuana, so it is at their own expense as well. Don’t purchase marijuana without purchasing marijuana stamps sold by the government or else you are evading taxes as well.
“To all commentors that said something to the extent that even though they weren’t breaking California laws, that they were in breach of Federal requirements….. 10th amendment! States rights are supposed to trump federal law mmmmK.”
I agree. The Controlled Substances Act of 1970 does not reflect this. Get a lawyer and take it to the Supreme Court and get it thrown out. Until that happens, the US government is going to continue to enforce it, right or wrong.
April 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
You want pot decriminalized? Try decriminalizing raw milk first…
http://harpers.org/archive/2008/04/0081992
April 27th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Excerpted from the Declaration of Independence: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States.” ‘Nuff said…
The Feds might have been wrong in one instance with their raid however…(1) Do they still have jurisdiction since California seems to have become part of Mexico now, and (2) if you wanna get rid of all that graffiti in LA, why do you keep selling the paint to just anybody…? Maybe it should be behind the counter with the ephedrine and require a thumbprint to get some spray paint hmmm…? (..)
April 27th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Dude sez: “Any civil society is governed by laws buddy. Anything else is anarchy. I’m not saying these laws are right or they are wrong, I am saying they are the LAW. The great thing about the USA is that there are ways of changing laws if they don’t work.”
This is where you fall into error. America is a plutocracy. The Executive branch, the Dept. of Homeland Security, etc. now issue dictatorial decrees that the citizens of the United States of Dumbfuckistan think are “laws”.
The drug laws that the Federal govt. claims it has the right to enforce are “laws” that we are under no obligation to recognize. The Feds’ only response to our ignoring of their fraudulent claim is to answer with force as in the story above.
Force and fraud does not equal law. The force and fraud imposed by the Feds are criminal actions that sheep appear to accept out of fear.
A truly civil society is one in which the government governs by consent of the governed. As the state of California was ok with the vending machine, the Feds have overstepped their bounds.
The Federal government is now a criminal enterprise engaging in the worst kind of projection by seeing all of us as criminals.
April 27th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I think “thugs” better describes these so called “Agents”. The government brings it in and then arrest us for using it. What a system..
We are in a Police state sheeple, and we are going into martial law very soon! Wake up Sheeple! Another fake terrorist attack, blamed on Iran, and we will be nuclear bombing Iran, while Faux news viewers watch it live screaming “America” or singing “We’re proud to be Americans…”
You need to wake up and see what is going on, spread the word buy a year’s worth of non GM food and “other” protection for you and your family NOW!
April 27th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I just can’t wait for the government to finally realize that when Martial Law is put into effect that the average American is not going to start crying and begging for mercy. The Average American has weapons, and when backed into a corner the Average American will do his best to fight his way out, and if an out of control Government thug is acting up under orders from his corrupt leader that thug will be swinging from the nearest light pole.
April 27th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
If you pay any taxes to the bastard government of Amerika, here are those dollars at work. Bastard, thug pigs will smash you and kill you and sieze everything you own if you do not bend to the will of these tyrants. To hell with state’s rights and the rights of sick people.
Can you imagine the people who founded this country tolerating anything like this? They would have overthrown this piece of shit government run by liars, thieves and murderers long ago…
it’s not enough for these bastard Feds to just arrest the guy, although that alone is evil. But no, they have to completely trash the place too and threaten people.
And that is not enough for these evil sick bastards. Take a look at what they’ve done to some people. These bastards literally kill sick people. Just look at what they did to Peter McWilliams as one example.
They are truly evil and if there is any justice in the universe they will be spending eternity in Hell.
A people who believed in liberty and freedom would not tolerate this government. Certainly the people who founded this country would string up the bastards who run this country today.
The Amerikan people are nothing more than sheep. Government run schools have been a huge success in achieving this. Amerikans are far more brainwashed than people in the USSR ever were. At least those people knew their rulers were bastard criminals and their system of government was a terrible joke. By contrast today’s Amerikan Sheeple believe their government is the greatest the world has ever known.
April 27th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
The Man sez: “Fight about the federal law; but in this case, the DEA did exactly what they are chartered to do. They are not the villians; go attack your lawmakers.”
“I was just following orders” isn’t an excuse. Anyone that works for the DEA or any other three-letter agency is now just a traitor to the American people and to the US Constitution.
April 27th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
What hypocrites!!! The present Fourth Reich running the country are the biggest drug dealers of all via the CIA (well, maybe next to Israel, it’s pretty much all the same anyway).
April 27th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
It’s called gangsters racketeering invoke the RECO laws. the people are cutting into the government protected crime ring profits.
April 27th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
that sucks!
linked this story @ http://www.budzsack.com
April 27th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Another term that serves our situation well is, “cold civil war”.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:11 am
The best way to stop this is to vote democratic, unless Ron Paul somehow is on the ballot. As a registered republican, that is exactly what our family is going to do in November.
April 28th, 2008 at 12:47 am
ill bet the feds went and had a shot and a beer after that one ,as they all patted each other on the ass for a good job done.
April 28th, 2008 at 1:47 am
A lot of people have made statements against the feds here and many have made supportive statements of their actions, which were, as far as i know, legal according to the law. But the point is that this was an injustice done by the government to the people (forget the legality of the issue) The true facts of cannabis show prohibition is an ill concieved policy, that has a negative impact on almost everyone (except for big business). The only thing we can do is to push for reform of our drug laws to be free of this nonsense.
April 28th, 2008 at 2:50 am
What do you mean “they were not robbers”?!? That is EXACTLY what they are! It doesn’t matter who signs their paychecks, they are violent criminals who belong in prison!!! If you people understand nothing else, then get this: All powers not expressly delegated by the states to the federal government are reserved to the states and the people by the national constitution. This is a plain and simple FACT. It is not a suggestion and it is not debatable. The federal government has NO LAWFUL AUTHORITY to regulate the sale and consumption of herbs. These federal agents are OUTLAWS, period. They are part an organized crime syndicate with a long history of violating the supreme law of the land. They should be arrested, jailed, held without bail, and tried by the local authorities.
You have to change your mindset and stop acting like victims: if you see a store being robbed and vandalized by federal agents acting under color of law, don’t just stand there and let it happen, video it and call the police. If they refuse to act, they are they are guilty of misprision and they can be prosecuted for it! If the police and prosecutors both demonstrate a policy of letting an organized crime syndicate go around breaking the law, they are part of a criminal conspiracy and it is your DUTY to remove them from power. State-sponsored terrorism will not end until you accomplish this!
NOBODY has a right to say that you need their permission to buy cannabis. When the people in power dictate what you can put in your body, then YOUR BODY IS GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. That is the very definition of fascism. You are just a SLAVE living on a gigantic plantation. You are the property of those who print all the worthless paper that you trade your labor for. There is only one party in power and it has two right wings. The American fascist party pretends to oppose itself in order to keep the people divided and fighting each other, thereby ensuring that it REMAINS in power. The politicians in this state are just PRETENDING to be compassionate while they allow the most vicious enemies of human liberty to roam about committing crimes without fear of punishment. If you are serious about freedom you cannot keep putting the same corrupt political corporations back into power decade after decade… you have to completely clean house and replace them with people who actually believe in freedom, not those who just TALK about it. You have to get out and get lots of freedom loving people on the ballot at every election. You need to elect people who will absolutely refuse to fund the government until it restores your liberty because force is the only language which the fascists understand.
April 28th, 2008 at 3:46 am
People dress up like cops to steal weed all the time- so the statement that was a possibility was spot on.
April 28th, 2008 at 5:54 am
What a crock of shit. Can’t the feds just leave little ol potheeds alone already? http://www.materialbitch.com
April 28th, 2008 at 8:12 am
Hey sfsfsf,
When somebody takes something too far, they are ABSOLUTELY the problem!!!!!!
You may want to choose your words more wisely in the future.
JT,
You are part of the problem. The extremists on the other side do exactly what you suggest–take things too far! Two wrongs will never make a right…
This entire argument sucks. The whole thing is hear-say–no facts presented. I hope I never have to go on trial for anything and rely on a jury of my “peers”. lol
I do believe something made them come to that store, and they had to be justified for coming there. HOWEVER, I do not (nor will I ever) think they are justified for SENSELESSLY smashing everything up. The only way that could be justified is if they notified the store manager/owner that they needed access to locked glass cases, and he/she refused to grant it. Is that what really happened? I’m willing to bet there are only a few that know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help them…
I don’t use drugs, but for those of you who do, DON’T GET BEHIND THE WHEEL OF A CAR!! We all have loved-ones we don’t want to lose…
Other than that, have a great time and do what is your right to do!!!!!!
April 28th, 2008 at 8:45 am
THis is a clear case of the Government having a design to reduce us to absolute despotism. In such a case there are laws that supercede all Government laws they are called the laws of God and laws of nature. When a government becomes destructive to these end it is our duty and our right to throw off such Government and establish new government for the security of the people.(see our Declaration of Independence) It is our right to bear arms in such a case.(see THe U>S> Constitution) The Government is not our parents or our dictator. Our Government works for us not against us. The Federal laws against marijuana are as fraudulent as WMD’s in Iraq. These laws are an excuse to force us into a dependency on their oil, drugs, pharmaceuticals, etc. Therefore these Federal Laws are void and invalid. The Federal Government is not the ultimate authority, the people are.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Laws passed in the middle of the night to protect the profits of corporations are not valid laws. We must protect ourselves from the abuses of politicians that have ignored the rights of the people and established mischievous precedents that have created dangerous security issues among the people and created the divisions in society that George Washington warned us to be on constant guard against in his farewell address.
April 28th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Soft Fascism?—What’s a rose by any other name? Ron Paul called it soft so as not to further have him classified as a looney toon. Irreguardless if it’s called fascism,communism, Marxism or socialism, it’s still state run.
April 28th, 2008 at 10:07 am
#25 Ben –
“…Federal law trumps States rights – that’s constitution 101.”
Well, not really…
The 14th, 15th, and 16th Amendments to the Constitution really changed the scenario. Before, the country was a group of states that used the central government for solving legal and criminal grievances between states; people were residence and citizens of the respective state they live in. After the Civil War, the Federal Government declared that all citizens within the United States, that all laws were top down due to this ‘centralized’ government, and was the supreme law of the land…
This is when stuff like eminent domain (taking land from individuals or groups by fiat, with some compensation) started materializing from the Feds. Or the Supreme Court justices sniffing the butts of the Robber-Barons, and giving corporations a legal status better than humans (Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company)[118 U.S. 394 (1886)].
Thats when this country went Fascist. Thomas Jefferson was spinning like a turbine when that happened…this was set up long ago…
April 28th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
The federal governement is out of control.
The federal governement does not care about the will of the people.
April 28th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Damn those Feds, the DEA and Bush’s War on Drugs. They should rot in hell, there are people who actually NEED medical marijuana – What this government is doing is illegal
April 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
For one person in 100, pot is a very dangerous drug !
But then I guess for one person in 10,000 peanut butter is a deadly poison.
For what it’s worth
Shrug..
April 28th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
For one person in 100, pot is a very dangerous drug !
But then I guess for one person in 10,000 peanut butter is a deadly poison.
For what it’s worth
Shrug..
April 28th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Sometimes I just wonder what happened to a government for the people and by the people? What happened to the Monroe Doctrine and our foreign policy of not having any, I mean being isolationists. As the naysayer, Dude, noted; we partake in the UN and its drug enforcement policies, but if we were isolationists:
we would not have involved ourselves in the “Communism Containment” crusade, No Korean War, No Vietnam War, No involvement in Afganistan, we would not have entangled ourselves in Middle East affairs by selling weapons to eventual enemies (Osama? Sadam?), thus leading us to global anti-American sentiment and our causation of global terrorism, No “War” on Terrorism, No Iraqi War (fought for all the wrong reasons).
All of these events led up to our status of a world police. If we want to be true heroes we should fight the good fight and take out dictatorship in Zimbabwa, we hanged the wrong dictator, it should have been Robert Mugabe. However we don’t take an interest because they are of no strategic value to us, they are a developing nation with no oil reseverves.
Kennedy:Bay of Pigs. Nixon:Watergate. Clinton:blowjob in the oval office for christ’s sakes. Bush:weapons of mass destruction.
And I digress but the point is our government goes and gets us involved in stupid shit and then lies to us, OR lies to us and then gets us involved in stupid shit. But like so many of you I think we really need to “get up, stand up, stand up for your rights” to fucking have a say in what our country does. We need to stand up for our inherent rights to govern ourselves, to sexual preference (and abolish religion from government) to plant seeds and enjoy what nature gave us, and quite frankly get baked. Our government at this point has violated several of our rights as citizens and its our turn to fight back with civil disobedience at the least if not full scale protest and rebellion against the devilish union that is America!
(that last part is just for fun)
but seriously, its time
April 28th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Disgusting.
Outrageous.
Unacceptable to the height of extent.
I need to get some fresh air, then maybe start planning on a good place in Europe to scope out. I am done.
April 29th, 2008 at 2:58 pm
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April 29th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
Have they ever gone to the extent to arrest anyone federally?
April 30th, 2008 at 1:30 am
I propose that California should secede from the Union. The federal government no longer represents our interests, and we don’t need their broken policies any more. It’s time for secession.
April 30th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
when will the people running our state and national government start listening to the will of the people?
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May 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pm
DEAth
May 3rd, 2008 at 9:32 am
Pot is not medicine.
99% of the people supporting the legalization of marijuana couldn’t care less about “medicine,” and actually care about “getting high.”
May 4th, 2008 at 5:33 am
THE UNITED STATES is a corporation, that does NOT serve the best interests of We the People. THE UNTIED STATES MUST be dissolved, as it has proved its’ evil intent. Fluoride is in the water, chemtrails are in the sky, cancer cures have withheld, oil cos. have been allowed to extort billions – these are all predicate acts which prove the UNITED STATES’ intent to harm US ALL.
The good People of the California republic have the duty & responsibility to MAKE the local Sheriff DEMAND Federal AGENTS comply with the Calif.
When the DEA will NOT adhere to the law, & the Sheriff the highest lawful authority in the County – then the DEA MUST leave the county.
IFF the DEA AGENTS will NOT respect the laws of the People – then the AGENTS are criminals & MUST be treated as criminals.
The good People of California & the owner of this business have been damaged & there MUST be restitution. When a corp.(se) does NOT controls its’ AGENTS – the legal ficition is liable & MUST be closed – as the business IS NOT complying with its’ charter to uphold the law – to serve & protect.
Does the DEA & the IRS have authority to do business in Calif.? For the answer,
review the Sec. of State records to insure these AGENCIES have complied with Calif. law.
Is THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA an ADMINISTRATIVE AGENCY of the UNITED STATES?
Please review the following links; https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/us.html, (go to the World Fact Book, click on the United States & note the map is w/o State borders, arrow down & see list of 50 states …, click on Calif.,
now go to http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/Federal/All_Agencies/index.shtml, (go to C & click on State of Calif.),
now go to http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/State_and_Territories.shtml (click on Calif.),
now go to http://www.legaltips.org (click on State of Calif.) –
NO ATTORNEY WILL SHARE THIS.
THE FRAUD IS EXPOSED.
Consent of We the People, is required &
I DO NOT CONSENT to THIS ABUSE.
MY RIGHT TO TRAVEL, TO CONTRACT, & MY RIGHT TO MY PURSUIT OF HAPPISNESS IN NON-NEGOTIABLE.
May 4th, 2008 at 11:51 am
When you draw that much attention to yourself and make your shop pull headlines like that… then you kind of have to be expecting it. If he opened up his shop again quietly without any pot dispensing machines he’d have a much lower chance of getting raided. The feds really just seem to go after the figureheads in the field in order to send a message to the public.
May 5th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
[...] and spoke with the manager. The Feds destroyed a perfectly legal California business tonight. read more | digg [...]
May 11th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
FUCK the corrupt gov’t
June 5th, 2008 at 1:08 am
I’m just glad that the federal government has been so efficient in fighting crime that they’ve solved ALL the murders, ALL the rapes, ALL the burglaries, ALL of the other injustices in the world so that they have the time and budget to stop the AIDS and cancer patients from having a bit of a plant that makes life not suck so much for them.
June 14th, 2008 at 8:39 am
@Ben #166: Pot is not medicine. 99% of the people supporting the legalization of marijuana couldn’t care less about “medicine,” and actually care about “getting high.”
So what Ben? SO. FREAKING. WHAT?
In what way does it affect your life if I want to get stoned? What the hell difference does it make to you what substances I put into my body?
Do you honestly believe you know what is best for me, or should have any sort of authority over my body or mind? Fuck you, pal!
If I want to get stoned, SO WHAT? You do not own my body, and you have no authority over what I may or may not do with it.
“Drugs finance crime”, you might say?
Only because stupid laws forbid you, I and anyone who wants to from growing their own, and thus create an immensely profitable black market.
Drug crime is created and facilitated by drug laws. It is entirely artificial and many times more damaging to society than any amount of adult recreational drug use could ever be.
Stronger strains of weed are also brought into wider circulation by the lack of the ability to grow our own. I and probably 95% of the people I know who smoke weed would be far happier smoking lower strength natural home grown, but as it’s difficult to grow (because of arbitrary prohibition laws) our only available option for getting stoned at present is to buy what’s being sold here: high strength skunk.
Legalise all drugs – especially the growing of weed – and you would see most drugs problems and especially drugs related crime disappear almost overnight. Those of us who wanted to get stoned (or take magic mushrooms or whatever) would continue to do it in private with friends, as WE ARE ALREADY DOING NOW.
You have already failed to stop us doing this, and the laws you support are not working – because they are illiberal and have no basis in rationality or reason.
I guess this is all a bit too sensible for fucking knee-jerking authoritarian jerkoffs like you though, isn’t it?
Well, now I’m going to smoke a fat one, and there’s NOTHING you can do to stop me, so just grow up, deal with it, and stop telling other adults how to live our lives. It’s just a plant!
July 30th, 2008 at 6:05 am
Could a person shoot to kill any so called “agents” who perform these terrorist like acts? Could it be argued in court that it is legal to defend, with deadly force, against such an obviously terrorist action? The smashing of the store cases is a perfect example of vandalism and intentional abuse of authority. Does the constitution allow for killing the trash that perpetrated this crime? Why do the American people stand for this when we could band together and kill the people involved? Perhaps then the DEA would gain less recruits and the people would regain power as our founding fathers intended. Our politicians are not reps or the people and don’t enact the laws we want. They enact the laws that lobbyist fat cats pay for and the people lose time and again. Make pot legal and move on with life US government, then you can go back to raping the American public as usual. I wonder if killing the DEA nazis involved would be a solution?
September 9th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Actually, I just looked over the constitution, and so long as the Marijuana is both grown and sold within CA, to CA residents, and not taken over state lines, the Federal Government has no jurisdiction. Constitution prohibits the federal gov’t from interfering with intrastate commerce. Their only commercial jurisdiction is over interstate commerce (USC Article 1 Sec. 8). This restriction of the powers of federal legislation makes any law that bans the sale of something in all states unconstitutional. Also, Amendment X states that any power not given to Congress by the constitution belongs to the states, namely control of intrastate commerce. So here, we have various bits of legal jumbo interacting. While under Article VI of the constitution, it would appear that the Federal ban on marijuana would trump the California allowance, Article I does not give the feds the power to regulate intrastate commerce, giving power of in-California commerce solely to California. That’s the constitutional side of it.